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Learn how to Use Notion for Group and Productiveness With Sandra Halling

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Katie: Hey, and welcome to “The Wellness Mama Podcast.” I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com and wellnesse.com. That’s wellness with an E on the tip, my new line of private care merchandise. You should definitely examine them out. This episode is all about one of many instruments I exploit to remain productive and arranged, and that I really feel is a particularly priceless instrument. And I additionally really feel like I’m not utilizing it in addition to I could possibly be. It’s known as Notion, and it’s an app that can be utilized on telephone or desktop. It integrates with each. And there appear to be infinite methods of utilizing it. I’m on no account an skilled. So I’m right here with the programs skilled, Sandra Halling, who’s a enterprise strategist and system consultants, who loves the technological facet. She’s been doing completely different types of this for 20 years. And now she brings her company expertise and her strategic considering to assist small companies and entrepreneurs and people at implementing Notion and learn how to use that to create a framework that helps her private life. She focuses on group and he or she guides her purchasers by means of creating private {and professional} tasks inside Notion. And we go into a few of these ways in which she does this as we speak. And it is rather a lot a visible factor. So we speak by means of as a lot as we will simply verbally right here, however she’s additionally gonna have a hyperlink within the present notes at wellnessmama.fm, that may take you to her web site and to some extra visuals on learn how to really implement this in addition to she may be prepared to do a mixed course for mothers and households of learn how to use this particularly for these associated subjects. So, once more, I discover this a really, very useful instrument however I’m on no account an skilled at utilizing it and I wished to usher in Sandra as we speak to go deeper on Notion. Sandra, welcome. Thanks for being right here.

Sandra: Hello. Thanks, Katie.

Katie: I’m so excited to talk with you and study from you as we speak. One of many subjects that’s at all times arising once I ask the listeners what they need me to speak extra about is issues like group and productiveness. And an app that I’ve been in all probability not even effectively utilizing, that has made my life a lot simpler known as Notion. And I really feel like I’ve a ton of room for enchancment in how I exploit it. And I additionally really feel like that is a tremendous instrument that isn’t tremendous well-known but, particularly amongst mothers. And I believe it may be completely unimaginable. So, to start out with, I do know that you’re an skilled on this, which is why I used to be so glad to talk with you as we speak however stroll us by means of on a really broad stage what Notion is.

Sandra: Okay. So, Notion at its core is sort of like a database. However I say that phrase, and typically individuals run for the hills. So simply know that, once you’re first diving into it, it’s actually like….. It’s a no code utility, which implies it’s very simple to arrange and configure. And it’s meant to do all the things underneath the solar from deal with notes, and duties, to collaboration. And one of many lovely issues about Notion is which you can cross-reference and sync knowledge from all areas of your life to all different areas. In order that signifies that it’s very versatile in relation to designing your personal private dashboard that is smart to you and the best way you wish to run your loved ones, run your life, run your enterprise, and so forth.

Katie: Yeah, I really feel like I’m solely starting to barely scratch the floor of understanding what number of makes use of it has. And I exploit it for enterprise and likewise for sort of family administration and simply protecting monitor of all the things I must do in my very own life in addition to, like, long-term objective monitoring. I monitor one thing known as OKRs or targets and key outcomes for each enterprise and private, and I maintain all of these issues in Notion. However I do know earlier than we began recording, you talked about a extremely good level, which is that there’s a studying curve in relation to Notion. And I believe anytime we’re speaking, like, excessive stage group, it might probably appear overwhelming at first. Definitely once I first began utilizing Notion, I used to be a little bit bit caught so far as learn how to create programs in it. And I ended up having to sort of go define all of the issues I wanted to determine learn how to handle after which work from there versus simply attempting to start out creating in Notion. So if somebody’s new to it, how can they sort of keep away from that overwhelm or what’s a superb start line simply to begin to study or begin to determine what you’re going to place in Notion to start with?

Sandra: Yeah, so one which I’d throw on the market for a brand new consumer is nearly the entire notebooks and post-it notes and shoe bins that you’ve got round with numerous tidbits of data, all the things from just like the whiteboard in your kitchen, the place you retain your menu, at the very least that’s what I do, , uber nerd over right here. However the entire little locations the place you have got items of data that you just don’t wanna lose monitor of and begin excited about these as elements of your life that you might deliver collectively in a coherent entire. So in case you might have type of a one-stop store for simply getting the heartbeat of issues, what would that appear to be in a great world? And even, like, breaking out the crayons and, like, drawing it out within the early days is a extremely good mind-set about it. As a result of Notion actually is so versatile. I believe it’s value taking the time to customise it for your self. After which the second factor is I additionally wouldn’t, like, overdo that as a result of Notion is best once you begin utilizing it as quickly as attainable, versus attempting to construct the right system earlier than you dive in. And that’s the opposite factor I see individuals do rather a lot is, like, bounce in after which get so enthusiastic about how enjoyable it’s to design it as a result of it truly is enjoyable in case you like enjoying round in these kinds of issues after which overlook that it’s meant to truly make your life simpler and never type of be a distraction rabbit gap. So, it’s like discovering that glad medium between placing some thought into what you need it to appear to be, what function you need it to serve, what data do you would like you might manage higher or had higher monitor of? So my company purchasers are normally level to love their Google Drive is a large number or their stuff buried in Slack.

However my, like, private purchasers give it some thought extra for, like, , monitoring their chore sheet, or funds, or perhaps well being programs, or simply various things on the private facet, even hobbies. It’s an awesome place to trace data on hobbies. So, it’s sort of like getting the lay of the land of all of the classes after which excited about how you’d wanna deliver it collectively and being actually helpful with your self, such as you talked about. I really like that you just talked about the OKRs as a result of I monitor these as effectively. I believe it’s an awesome place to have the ability to do that prime stage planning in addition to the low stage day after day process planning. I believe that’s one thing to consider is also, like, once I construct my system, one of many issues I’ve achieved is I’ve time-based perspective. So I’ve, like, a each day web page, a weekly web page. However then I even have type of subject perspective. So I’ve a enterprise homepage and a private homepage, after which additionally issues for hobbies and so forth. So it’s sort of wanting on the classes. After which the third factor I’ll throw out, proper off the bat is, like, ensure that in case you fall down the plethora of data on YouTube, about Notion is that you just go to Notion’s official channel and have a look at the movies. And I at all times recommend that even for my, like, superior customers, as a result of Notion, as an organization, after they put out movies, they focus extra on the options and the way it works, versus, like, utility and templates. And there’s a number of data and examples out on YouTube about other ways of approaching it and, like, taking a look at completely different templates. However typically what will get misplaced in that’s, like, the actually easy core ideas of what’s a web page and what’s a desk? And so, like, what are the constructing blocks inside Notion that you just use to configure your system?

Katie: Acquired it. Okay. So I’d like to undergo a little bit bit of those sort of perhaps get some recommendation step-by-step on issues which can be largely universally relevant to individuals listening. So, issues like all of us should eat and most of us are planning meals for our households. And I’ve, , instruments like Actual Plans that I exploit to do that however I additionally maintain my meal plan in Notion, together with like a seasonal rotating meal plan. However you talked about a meal plan being a factor that’s nice to trace in Notion that I absolutely agree. So, stroll us by means of sort of how somebody can begin doing that or what sort of, I suppose not template, what sort of system they need to arrange in there to have the ability to construct on?

Sandra: Yeah. So, by way of, like, meals and meal plans, specifically, one of many issues that I like to recommend to individuals usually is to consider their teams of data, type of like separate buckets. So, for instance, I’ve a recipe log the place I’ve completely different web sites. And I’ll go on the web site and seize the prettiest image of no matter it’s and put that on the high after which have the directions and any type of notes in there. However separate recipe log, I even have a very separate desk for, like, my menu plan. So it’s like what day am I planning to eat what, proper? And from there, I hyperlink that. Truly, it’s simply round with this yesterday, my Sunday afternoon on which was enjoying round with making this work even higher than it has earlier than. So, I’m sort of tremendous excited to speak about it as we speak. And that’s that I linked it into what I name my each day journal or my type of, like, my digital bullet journal, if you’ll. So, I’ve this each day homepage that I am going to that has all these reflections, which I can get into in a second. But it surely has the hyperlink to journaling questions and my habits. Like, am I consuming my water? Am I exercising? That good things after which it additionally has this show of my week and can really inform me what I plan to eat, or no matter I plan to make for dinner. And Notion has all these nice completely different show codecs, if you’ll. So, one of many issues I can do is definitely set this up in order that there’s a reminder that if we’re having stir fry for dinner, I ought to make the rice at lunchtime so I don’t overlook. You recognize, it’s like that little stuff that may make our lives a lot simpler. And so determining learn how to arrange my gallery view in Notion. So it not solely shows a fairly image of the recipe to entice me, to start out dinner prep once I ought to, and it additionally tells me, like, “Hey, what can I do at lunchtime to make my night a little bit smoother?”

In order that’s sort of, like, structurally how I do a meal. I’ve the completely different tables, however I’ll say, like, to even sort of zoom out or go to an much more greater stage, one of many issues I prefer to level out for Notion customers is that once you’re beginning out, what’s the distinction between a web page and a desk? And the way do you make tables relate to one another in a manner that makes issues simpler? Tables could be fairly particular in it’s function. Like I used to be saying, I’ve a recipe desk, however that’s very separate from my meal plan desk. And that’s separate from my digital bullet journal and behavior monitoring desk. And by doing issues like that, it provides you a little bit extra flexibility and management about what you show the place. And, , Notion, it’s arduous to speak over audio, proper, how versatile it’s. And I’m positive you might converse to this too, the place you simply can management so many little nuances of what you see on numerous screens and dashboards. It’s in contrast to every other dwelling upkeep or, , effort I’ve put into monitoring, like, simply all these issues that go into managing dwelling life, actually.

Katie: That’s superior. Yeah, I really feel like I exploit this in so many various methods as effectively. And like I mentioned, I don’t even assume I exploit it almost as effectively as lots of people, and particularly as you. You simply talked about a each day homepage. And I really like this concept sort of like a management middle for all the things you’d put into Notion. Are you able to stroll us by means of sort of, like, the way you set that up and all of the issues that you just carry on there, and the way you then go from there and to all the things else you monitor?

Sandra: Yeah. Yeah. So I really like that you just requested that as a result of my each day web page is definitely the place I begin my day, each day. And actually, it’s so vital to my course of that oftentimes… It’s additionally the place I finish my day if I’m being in line with my habits. And so, I’ve… One of many issues I love to do is do examine ins at numerous level in the course of the day. And for me, a check-in is a set of questions that I prefer to ask myself to only type of, like, actually examine in to see how I’m feeling that day, what I wish to accomplish that day, if there’s something I’m worrying about, actually only a pause from type of the, I hate to say grind as a result of that’s probably not what I imply. However you get what I’m saying. Like, that day in time out the sort of, we get into automated pilot, a greater manner of claiming it. And having the check-ins for it’s a big manner of me zooming within the midst of the day and deciding how I would like a few hours to go. So, my each day web page is the place I’ve my examine ins situated and I set these up as template button. So I’ve a preset record of questions which can be in a web page. And so all I’ve to do is click on the template button and it pops open a brand new web page with all my questions and I fill them out. After which I suppose all in a mirrored image database. So I can go and see that, like, , on December 14th, I used to be speaking about steadiness. That’s the tag I’ve on it for this morning. After which from there on my each day web page, I’ve a hyperlink to a separate desk, the one I used to be speaking about for type of, like, the each day habits. And in that desk, I monitor an entire slew of issues from, like, I’ve checkboxes for did I sweat? Did I stretch? Did I meditate? Did I do my morning pages? Did I do a thought mannequin? Did I take drugs, nutritional vitamins, so on and so forth? So you might go down the laundry record of the issues that you just maintain monitor of for your self.

And, , that is multi function desk however I show it in numerous sections. So, I don’t should assume by means of it on a regular basis. I get by means of what I’m taking a look at a given second. And so, this each day web page, it really has, like, I believe 4 sections to it. And so there’s a web page that’s worthy of my consideration at 5:00 within the morning once I’m, like, pre-coffee and simply attempting to get my mind in right here. However there’s additionally a piece of it that’s like noon examine in and a piece of it that’s extra in the direction of the tip of the day. And in every of those areas, I exploit my behavior tracker and I show completely different fields. So completely different properties. So, within the morning, the one factor I actually care about is, like, did I keep in mind to take…? You recognize, did I keep in mind to have some water and what time did I get up? That sort of factor. However later within the day, there’s fields for meals and monitoring signs. Like, I’ve persistent sinus points so I monitor all of the signs associated to that simply so I can see going again, “Oh, hey, , this has really been bugging me for a few weeks now, not simply a few days. And simply provides me all this wealthy details about what’s occurring in my world from a day after day foundation. In order that’s sort of how I bounce off from the each day web page.

Katie: I’m taking notes and mapping out all this stuff that I would like so as to add to mine. So, speak a little bit bit extra about templates as a result of I believe this is without doubt one of the big strengths of Notion. And I do know that there appears to be a capability to share templates as a result of I’ve used templates that different individuals have created. I haven’t gotten excellent at creating my very own templates but however this has been on my record as a result of loads of the issues I do are repetitive. And creating them as a template, like a each day to do record or weekly planning for my crew, issues like that, it appears actually, actually useful. So, stroll us by means of the benefits of templates and learn how to sort of work out learn how to use them.

Sandra: Yeah. So, the phrase template is utilized in a few other ways and type of the Notion sphere if you’ll. So, the excessive stage model of a template is, like, , you’ll be able to construct out no matter you need your pages and tables to appear to be, after which you’ll be able to really share that entire setup with different individuals. And so, once you say you’ve introduced templates into your system, that’s what you’re speaking about there. There’s really a strategy to share it on the net. And once you first go into Notion, you’ll be able to, like, click on the duplicate button on a shared template and it’ll switch that entire setup into your setup. So once I work with purchasers privately, that’s usually what we do is as soon as I get them arrange with the fundamentals, they usually’re rocking and rolling, they usually’ve received the technical abilities down, which solely takes, , an hour or two to do, then we switch my template into their system. My template’s a little bit little bit of a whopper, proper, as a result of I, , do that day in and time out. And that’s one strategy to type of streamline issues is to seek out an individual that you just like Notion already, , both through YouTube or no matter, after which both buy or search for a free template which you can switch in your system. It’s an enormous time saver as a result of these templates, in the event that they’re designed effectively will include all these tables that we’re speaking about pre-linked collectively. So that you don’t have to sit down there and sort of figuring all of the structure. It additionally eases issues from the standpoint. I prefer to say that Notion doesn’t have an opinion about the way you handle your enterprise or your life. And in order that’s each a superb factor and a foul factor. And it’s that them not having an opinion signifies that it’s important to have an opinion. All of us have time for ourselves, how are we utilizing Notion, the place are we gonna begin our day? What’s gonna be a very powerful? After which, however it signifies that we get to resolve all that stuff, versus having to fall into regardless of the software program developer determined was the easiest way to do one thing.

In order that’s templates at a excessive stage. However there’s additionally templates throughout the system which can be like for any given database, you’ll be able to have a template that might prefill data. So, like, greatest instance for me is in a piece, I’ve a template specifically for my assembly log, if you’ll. And so, once I began new issues, say, I’ve a brand new gross sales plan or one thing like that, I even have prefilled questions that I like to verify I ask. And so, once I begin a dialog of that nature, I can simply press a button on that desk, launches a brand new web page, with all of these questions preloaded… So I don’t even have to consider it. One other manner can be perhaps, like, you’re operating a podcast, for instance, sure steps that you just comply with for the podcast, in all probability on a weekly foundation, on a month-to-month foundation episode. And so, these type of checklists, if you’ll, could possibly be their very own template in a system so that each time you begin a brand new podcast, , content material calendar on your month or your quarter might open that up and also you’d have all new checkboxes to start out your stream of data. And I’m utilizing checkboxes simply to make the instance. However your templates can get actually complicated with nested tables and ask associated data. So it’s actually… That is what makes Notion superior is that it’s so malleable to what the consumer really wants. It may be tremendous easy with simply a few checkboxes, all actually highly effective, and you might use it to handle a crew or run a enterprise. After which the third one, like, so many templates… So the third sort of template is definitely what we name a template button. And a template button is a very completely different sort of characteristic in Notion, the place it simply exists on the web page and you may put something into it that you just wanna replicate. And I like to make use of it as a result of it provides the title of the web page a prefilled label, so it pops in versus utilizing a template in a desk, which doesn’t do this. And you’ll sort of sneak them in all through. And so, if there’s sure issues that you just do on a repeated foundation, however perhaps aren’t so complicated, that it’s value placing them in their very own desk, then you’ll be able to, , use these template buttons simply to type of streamline a course of or create a set of reminders or, like I mentioned, it’s good for making a set of checkboxes that perhaps you do each week or month or one thing.

Katie: Yeah, I’m considering of so many new methods to make use of this for lots extra areas of my life definitely. Does this…? Can notion combine instantly with different programs that folks may be utilizing? For example, you talked about Slack or Calendar apps or can it combine instantly with any of this stuff or is it standalone?

Sandra: So proper now it’s standalone. What I’ll say is that Notion has the flexibility to embed loads of apps. So what meaning is Notion is mainly entry by means of the slack command. And also you press that, and also you’ll see a listing of choices. And as you begin typing, it sort of narrows all the way down to what you want. One of many issues you are able to do is you’ll be able to, like, embed a Google doc, or a picture, or a number of different issues. Simply final week, there was a launch Notion put out a discover that they’re within the midst of testing API, which is mainly the decision that purposes use to speak between one another. And so it’s gonna be in beta early subsequent 12 months. So, fingers crossed someday earlier than the tip of subsequent 12 months, we’re gonna even have true integration with different purposes. However proper now, standalone. And I’ll say, although, each time I’ve had that, like, once I used to do it or a few of these different apps which can be on the market to assist meet my life, I at all times discovered myself including extra to it than I might actually fairly course of. So there’s one thing about API that may ship us on a path of virtually, like, over-integrating issues. So, in some methods, I’m sort of grateful that Notion has been the standalone characteristic as a result of it actually encourages curating what you’re placing in there, versus simply dumping all the things in there after which probably not having the ability to use it to execute on the issues that you just wanna have the ability to do.

Katie: That’s superior. I do know one other sort of unrelated factor that I exploit it for that I in all probability might work out learn how to templatized higher, however that I like to recommend to those who may be a brand new one, even for you as I exploit it to do one thing known as the Feynman approach. And I maintain what would mainly be like a journal, however the place I type of put all of my Feyman approach summaries proper now. And for anyone who’s not acquainted, I’ve talked about it a little bit bit on the podcast earlier than however the Feyman approach is mainly the concept that you have got realized one thing when you have got the flexibility to obviously and concisely clarify it to a toddler. And fortunately, I’ve a number of kids to truly apply this and clarify to each day. However that is one thing I do each time I learn a brand new ebook or watch a TED speak or study a brand new idea by researching or actually delve into the research on a subject. And I discover it actually helps recall. However by committing this stuff to an precise written type, I even have them in a single place for reference. So if I ever want to return and keep in mind one thing from a ebook or from an idea that I’ve realized, it’s in a single place, and Notion provides me an awesome place to trace all of those. After which I may also, like, simply discover them to share them, if I must with my crew or no matter it might be. In order that’s a tip I really like to provide mothers is it actually helps I discover improve recall and creativity. And in case you’re not a giant fan of writing, you should utilize one other app known as Otter in your telephone to talk into your telephone and clarify, and it’ll transcribe it for you so then you’ll be able to put it in Notion. In order that’s sort of like the way you mentioned you utilize it as a journal. That’s type of the best way I type of each day journal with it. And then you definitely talked about you additionally use it to trace issues like objectives, and I do too, however I’ve a sense you’re gonna have some suggestions of higher ways in which I could be utilizing this to trace objectives. So, do you construct templates for that or how do you map out after which maintain monitor of objectives inside Notion?

Sandra: Yeah. So, monitoring of objectives, I do OKR course of, which has been actually revolutionary for me personally, as a result of I at all times discovered SMART objectives to be a little bit too bossy, if you’ll. I’m a insurgent at coronary heart. And so, the second somebody tells me what to do, I are inclined to do the alternative. So SMART objective by no means fairly labored for me as a result of I simply wished to insurgent in opposition to it. However there’s one thing in regards to the OKR methodology the place once you make the targets, the type of inspirational/aspirational issues that you just’re attempting to do in your enterprise or your life, the affect that you just’re attempting to have, the main target, and also you set these up first, abruptly having key outcomes, that are basically SMART objectives, they’re well timed and particular, it feels much more approachable to me. And there are issues that I actually care about. So I’m capable of, , harness that energy. And so the best way my system is configured is I’ve targets and outcomes each in separate tables. After which I additionally am a giant fan of Charlie Gilkey, and the Productive Flourishing Academy. He has a ebook known as “Begin Ending,” which in case you haven’t learn it or seen it, I extremely advocate it. It’s only a nice ebook for anyone actually. Like, I’ve seen professionals use it. I’ve seen creatives use it. I’ve seen mother and father use it. It’s only a neat methodology for planning learn how to really end the issues that we begin, proper? So, the best way I exploit the momentum planning methodology in Notion is, I’ve another tables, one’s for tasks, which I consider as sort of just like the smaller steps to creating my key outcomes occur. After which I’ve a desk for actions or duties with a extremely micro stage. I must, , replace this factor or analysis this factor, no matter, the duties I must maintain. After which, to make it much more sturdy, I’ve yet another desk that I exploit, which I name areas, which is supposed to be type of wheel of life, if you’ll. So, any type of element to my life that I wanna have an intentional apply round and chew with, I arrange within the areas.

And so it’s type of like having a objective, however it takes off, like I mentioned, that point strain, in order that it’s simply, , periodically, I am going in and I have a look at these issues that matter to me, and I can sort of… You recognize, a few of them have checkboxes, a few of them have tables, a few of them simply have quotes to remind me of issues. So it’s a really fluid course of by the point it will get to areas, however it permits me to separate out issues I care about that I wanna be intentional about from precise measurable spindles that I’ve in my enterprise. And all of those tables, very areas of my system. So all of them seem in my weekly overview. They seem on… A few of them are on the each day web page or I even have two different dashboards that I exploit after the each day web page on a day after day foundation. And so they’re known as the Right this moment Web page and The This Week Web page. And people mainly permit me to have, like I mentioned, time-based perspective on what it’s I’m attempting to create.

Katie: I really like that. I do know, like… I believe, OKR, I’m an enormous fan as effectively. I’ll put a few of my favourite assets associated to understanding that within the shownotes. I believe it’s relevant to everybody. I do know it’s usually utilized in enterprise, however I believe it’s really very related to oldsters as effectively, so far as planning long-term issues with our youngsters, definitely for homeschooling mother and father and having objectives associated to that. And I additionally use it, like I mentioned, in my private life for private growth issues or new abilities I’m attempting to study and protecting monitor of all of these. I really feel like there’s simply so some ways to make use of that.

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And a few different ways in which I exploit Notion, generally, are for protecting monitor of issues like Christmas reward concepts or reward concepts, generally, for all my youngsters. I’ve issues like that as a result of they have a tendency to say issues all year long. After which slightly than having to think about them, simply at the moment of the 12 months, additionally issues like home updates and tasks issues I must, like, work towards with that. And also you talked about additionally issues like well being metrics, which can be related to lots of people listening. How can we use Notion to maintain monitor of this stuff or how would you set that up?

Sandra: Yeah, so that is the place Notion can actually be a whole, like, life working system. And I say that… And, , I’m at all times very… I work with loads of freshmen and loads of proper mind type of artistic thoughts map sort individuals. And so I’ve a delicate spot for them. And I do know that saying the phrase working system just isn’t at all times engaging to everyone. However on the similar time, it’s only a manner of harnessing all that creativity and all these concepts you have got, and placing the knowledge that we’re all monitoring in our heads down and to get, once more. That’s the important thing factor for me, whether or not we’re about education and even simply serving to your youngsters maintain monitor of their schoolwork. And if they’re doing on-line class or their chore schedule or their after faculty occasions or one which I did lately that I sort of amused myself with is I arrange an entire desk that’s, like, I name them weekly quests. And it’s mainly a gamified model of protecting monitor of all of the issues that I don’t should do each day however I must do a couple of instances every week. And mainly the best way the desk works is I’ve a few formulation in-built in order that so long as I vacuum as soon as every week, I get a thumbs up and a superb job. But when I vacuum twice every week, then it provides me a bonus. And of this outdated gamified factor with formulation in there that simply amuses me to no finish. And it really encourages me to do this stuff that I’d in any other case procrastinate or simply really feel like, “Oh, I’m too drained, it might probably wait till tomorrow.” After which you understand how that goes. Like, then it’s like three days later and you continue to haven’t vacuumed or no matter. So I prefer to put enjoyable issues in there. So it doesn’t at all times really feel like, oh, that is, like, yet another factor I’ve to do. The important thing factor for me with Notion, like, I really wish to open it on the weekend, which I’ve by no means felt earlier than with every other app. So, by way of, like, attending to a extra sensible reply to your query, one of many issues that I exploit or that I did at Notion this 12 months that was tremendous useful is we moved.

And so not solely did I’ve in there our lists of we have been in search of in a home and, like, our ultimate, , options and what have been the necessities, individuals stored monitor of the dialog, the realtor and, like, the entire homes we visited, sort of like doing a professional con record on them. After which when it received time for the transfer, I did an entire stock. So I numbered all of the bins. After which once I packed a field, I simply made, like, a 3 phrase or a 3 sentence, only a actually fast… What am I attempting to say? Three phrase, there we go. Three phrase description of what went within the field. And so then I used to be capable of after we moved, and it’s like, okay, we want no matter, the espresso grinder. I might really search the desk and discover it. And I knew, okay, that is field 89 or no matter it was. And I’ve to say, I assumed I used to be over-engineering it and sort of laughing at myself however I used to be having a lot enjoyable doing it, I did it anyway, and it completely paid off. Like, it was effectively definitely worth the effort I put in to have the ability to monitor down, , no matter pot and pan and my spices come that first week after the transfer. In order that’s type of, like, a sensible manner that you might use an app like this to make your life simpler.

Katie: And one other factor we’ve talked about a little bit bit, however I wanna make certain we are saying explicitly is that as a result of Notion is an app, it has each desktop and telephone interfaces after which, after all, they sync. And in order that’s been actually useful to me as a result of, as an illustration, like among the issues we’ve talked about, like meal planning, I can pull that up once I’m on the retailer. I can work on this stuff once I’m at an appointment with the children or ready on the children in an exercise as a result of my telephone is just about at all times with me. And so it’s tremendous handy that manner however then it’s simple additionally to work on a desktop once you’re organising a few of these greater tasks and larger issues. I’m curious, I imply, clearly, you’re in all probability an influence consumer of Notion, however how a lot are you interacting with Notion throughout any regular day?

Sandra: It’s a superb query. I’m out and in of it just about all day lengthy. I’ll say although, , I nonetheless maintain a paper journal once I’m on the telephone, oftentimes, as a result of I’m displaying anyone else learn how to use Notion. So we’re of their Notion setup. However I discover it useful for my mind to write down some issues down. After which I’ve a course of on the finish of the week, the place I sort of undergo that record and ensure that all the things’s in Notion the best way I would like it to be and that, , I can maintain monitor of all of the little particulars and the nuances. So, I discover it to be a extremely fluid factor by way of, , some days I’m in there, like, actually virtually all day. Now granted, I’m a Notion marketing consultant in order that is smart. However even on days once I’m engaged on different issues or serving to anyone with a web site or different enterprise programs, I’m nonetheless out and in just about all day. And I’d say the opposite two issues I’ll throw out, I really like that you just talked about the online, desktop, telephone, and it really works on iPad very well. In truth, they’ve made loads of enhancements within the final couple of months on the way it works on iPad. And so, it’s like virtually so many enhancements that I sort of wanna get a model new iPad simply so I can use it. It’s nice to have the ability to see it in all these completely different codecs. And there’s a new factor on the brand new iOS working… You recognize, the most recent replace for iOS really has this factor known as widgets, which if individuals haven’t seen them or checked them out but, they’re actually cool. They mainly put little mini apps, if you’ll, proper in your telephone display. And the Notion widget is tremendous useful as a result of it might probably take, like, the primary few issues in your favorites. So, like, my favorites, the pages are each day, fast seize, and my as we speak web page plus a couple of others. And I even have that widget proper on my telephone in order that, , if I’m within the kitchen, making a cup of tea between calls, and I consider one thing, I can pop it open and add it to my fast seize or no matter web page is smart actually simply and on the fly. So there’s a number of, like, , you’re not locked into solely being in your browser, solely be in your desktop, you have got a number of choices and methods to entry it that may make life simpler.

Katie: Superior. And also you talked about at first, this can be a tough factor to elucidate solely, simply verbally as a result of it’s very a lot hands-on and visible as effectively. However I do know that is one thing that you just do assist individuals with and you’ve got a web site associated to. So, for individuals who wish to perceive extra and who wish to begin integrating this, I’ll ensure that hyperlink is within the present notes however sort of stroll us by means of the way you assist individuals with that and the assets you have got.

Sandra: Yeah, so for various kinds of purchasers are completely different. I actually would like to have a bunch of mothers or dads simply households that wanna use it for homeschool or private stuff and all of that stuff. So what I’m gonna do is ready up a little bit discussion board on my web site so if anyone’s occupied with that sort of factor, they will let me know after which we will determine it out within the new 12 months. And the opposite factor I’ll throw out, you will discover Twitter at notionnerd and Instagram @notionnerd additionally. So the easiest way to seek out me is on sandrahalling com. And in case you put in /wellnessmama, you land on a web page that may have some attention-grabbing data that’s, like, geared in the direction of serving to households. And I really would like to have a workshop subsequent 12 months, particularly with that as a goal. So I’ll put in a little bit factor that if that’s of curiosity to anyone, they will enroll and let me know. Primary methods I work with individuals proper now’s by means of enterprise teaching and programs assist. And so, typically individuals are available in they usually need simply Notion and so we’ll deep dive over 30 days to get each step up and rocking and rolling. After which typically what individuals want is extra of, like, a sort of slower burn, if you’ll. So we do a 3 to 6 months strategy to dig into the completely different programs they’ve of their enterprise and streamline issues, join all of the dots. Like, simply this morning, I used to be serving to a shopper join their Google calendar with their iCloud, with their Macbook, with their telephone, like, all these little doodads go collectively. And so Notion is type of like one piece of the puzzle for me, however it spine of the programs I arrange. So, once more, you will discover me on the net at sandrahalling.com or on Twitter or Instagram at notionnerd.

Katie: Excellent. I’ll make certain these are linked right here. And one other query I like to ask on the finish. You talked about one already, but when there’s a ebook or plenty of books which have had a dramatic affect in your life, and in that case what they’re and why?

Sandra: Yeah. So, I’ve to say that one of the impactful books for me is “Getting Issues Achieved,” which is type of a basic within the productiveness area. So, I discovered it Most worthy or most impactful within the sense that it taught me learn how to group, and categorize, and course of data in a manner that I hadn’t seen earlier than. And it got here out once I was fairly younger in my profession, I believe I used to be about 20 or so. So it simply hit me on the proper second to create what we’ve got now, which is, , database marketing consultant now for a few years. So, that was actually impactful. And clearly “Begin Ending” is sort of an awesome instrument now. I believe “Getting Issues Achieved” is type of a basic, but additionally it was written 20 years in the past. So there’s some parts to it, the place our lives have simply modified a lot. And I believe “Begin Ending” does a greater job of addressing the entire completely different avenues that our lives take and the way a lot data comes at us and simply type of managing the combination there. After which different books that, like, actually matter to me on a private stage have been, like, some Ram Dass books, “Paths to God.” And Eckert Tolle’s “A New Earth” was additionally actually impactful for me as a result of it simply gave me a unique perspective on issues. And I like mixing this stuff. So it’s each taking a look at my life holistically, provides me a need to wanna manage it extra. In order that’s sort of how these two issues tie collectively for me.

Katie: Nice suggestions. I’ll make certain these are linked within the present notes as effectively. I’m so glad I received to share extra about Notion as we speak as a result of like I mentioned, it’s a instrument that I discover actually invaluable. And I additionally one, I really feel like I’m not utilizing them as a lot as I could possibly be. And I’m excited to have realized extra from you as we speak. And hopefully shared a brand new useful resource with lots of the individuals listening that may simplify their lives. However thanks on your time as we speak and for all of the work you’re doing.

Sandra: Thanks a lot, Katie. It was loads of enjoyable.

Katie: And thanks guys, as at all times for listening, for sharing your Most worthy useful resource, your time with each of us as we speak. We’re so grateful that you just did, and I hope that you’ll be a part of me once more on the subsequent episode of “The Wellness Mama Podcast.”

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